i mean, she used tactics that you hear homeland security and the fbi using. i mean, just by instinct she did that. >> one thing i always wonder about people being kidnapped in this type of a situation is how you survive, day to day, week to week, sometimes second by second, did she talk to you about how mentally she would escape? what gave her that will to survive? >> you know, it is astounding to me that she had the strength that she did. now think about this. he has chained her to this pole around the neck and her waist, put a motorcycle helmet, straps it tight, closes the visor, and chief leaves her there for days, it is cold, it smells, there was not enough play in the chain to lay down, so she would just lean into it and pass out essentially. and then she would wake back up. she says she was referred to as the unbreakable one. she fought him every step of the way. she would fight back. she would challenge him. she would argue with him and she would pay the price for it but she said that she knew that after having seen his face that he could not let her g